"Heavenly Parents themselves"?

Heavenly Parents Themselves?!?!

Here is the shocking reality of the confusion created with True Mothers direction to refer to God as "Heavenly Parents".

In a recent post, one brother mentioned; "Thank God that the originality of Eve is not centralized in Adam but in Heavenly Parent Themselves" Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".

Holy Shemitah!!!

Wow, "Heavenly Parents themselves"? Two Gods? Are you kidding me? OMG (or for those who believe in the two Gods), Oh My Gods?

I'm confident that most Unificationists know and understand that God has dual characteristics, and that God ultimately is our heavenly parent.

But there is just one God, not two. The belief in two Gods is called Ditheism, and the belief in one God is called Monotheism. True Father said in CSG that the principle is based on one God, Monotheism, and Godism. He never ever has said there are two Gods.

Even True Fathers explanation of the God of Night and the God of Day, explains that there is one God, but different aspects. That is why TF also said that while TM is on the same level with TF (as TM), they are on different dimensions.

The problem with Ditheism is that the two Gods can be at conflict with each other. That is why it is imperative that Unificationists clearly understand that there is one God, and that each central blessed member develop a personal relationship with HIM!

While God has dual characteristics, he represents himself through his subjectivity, his masculine side. As we are made in his image, we all have within us both masculine and feminine characteristics. We cannot be confused. Homosexuals who sense their dual characteristics within themselves, they become confused. We cannot be confused about the nature of God, or our nature. And we cannot allow the reference of God as heavenly parents cause confusion.

The True Parents of Heaven and Earth are to be the visible representation of the invisible God, but there is only one God, not two. The True Parents are not God, but are the corporeal manifestation of the dual aspects of the incorporeal invisible God. Ultimately, we are all to become one with God and allow him to manifest within us.

In every subject object relationship, there is order and it is through the subject. There is no equality between to subject and object. The subject allows the object to have subjectivity when he wants, not when she wants.

God, Heavenly Father, is our father in heaven and our heavenly parent.

Don't be confused!

Sharing from UC and Truth

Jerry Heying

March 9 at 4:44am

I thought this worth sharing from UC and truth:

When Father (the absolute subject) was here and Mother (the absolute object) was totally united with him then all of our members, despite all our differences, were united centered on them. So why is there division among our members - Sanctuary Church & FFWPU - at this time? The simplest answer I could find is that Sanctuary Church rejects the subject, subject position that FFWPU accepts and practices after Father ascended to Spirit World. SC is centered on Father while FFWPU is centered on Mother.

One place we can see it clearly in is the Blessing ceremonies that Mother conducts by herself. She is the subject conducting the ceremony but if Father is REALLY there beside her (as some members swear to) then what position is Father in? Is he now the absolute object or subject? Are there two subjects?

Father understood and made it clear that though he would pass away at some time in the future, there would always be an absolute subject on earth to represent him so we could have a center to revolve around.

"There will always be a physical representative of the True Father here on earth, from one generation to another; there will be that axis on which the earth will turn. Therefore, all of you here on earth and all the people in the generations to come will be centered upon the same axis."
Parents, Children and the World Centered Upon Oneself
June 5, 1983
Tarrytown, New York
God's Will and the World (1985), p. 649

Father directed that Hyung Jin take charge of his work and then inaugurated him making it official putting him in the subject position. Though Mother was united with Father when he was here, she later rejected Father's direction for his representative and usurped the subject position for herself after Father ascended. So now Mother instead being object to Father's position has taken it for herself. How can she be in the subject position when it is Hyung Jin's position?

"Today, at this time, there must only be one line of authority. The center, centered on Korea or on the world, over the entire Unification Church will stretch out and become larger. From now, I can leave someone in charge of my work on my behalf. Currently, there is no one among our church members who surpasses Hyung Jin in his standard of faith or in any other way. Do you understand? I am appointing him."
April 18, 2008
Korea

How can Mother be the absolute subject when Hyung Jin is the absolute subject?

Thanks MP

Why Did Father Insist that his books not be changed?

Why would the Messiah, the Returning Lord and Savior, the True Parent and King of Kings, speak so strongly that no one should change a book he created?!

Let's honestly think about that. Here we have Christ who has returned and restored the original fall of man for the first time in human history (and we are talking 6000 years!!!), and has restored all the historical wrongs that have happened throughout Gods Providence, faced death more than 6 times, was wrongly imprisoned 7 times, was able to crown God as the King of Kings, so who on earth would consider changing something he made?!?! Why would this amazing historical figure, near the end of his life, have to emphatically say numerous times, don't change my book?!?! Who on earth would consider doing such a thing?!?!

When you think about that fact, you realize that TF knew the possibility that someone might do just that, right? I mean, if TF didn't think that anyone would even consider it, he wouldn't even mention it, right?

Can you imagine how he would feel right now, after speaking so passionately about not changing his book that he poured over for hours and hours as a historical document that he was leaving for humankind to study for years to come, that his book was changed in less than two years after his ascension?!?!

Did TM betray TF?

Jerry Heying

February 27 at 4:27am

Libby, it is shocking to hear words that are nasty being used towards TM, and for me, it to is painful. Why would members take such a hard stand against TM? The current debate centers on this question:

Did TM betray TF?

Why would anyone think that? Because of her actions and many of the things she has said since TF's ascension, many members have concerns. Right now, there are more than 10,000 members worldwide (and growing) along with two true children who do not believe what TM is doing is right. You could add H1 and his band of thieves which would include your beloved Mr Kamiyami to those who also don't believe in TM but I won't count them because although there view of TM may be in agreement with many others, their prior act of thievery places them in an untrustworthy position.

You recently posted a flowery speech TM gave not to long ago but we have to remember things TM said earlier. For example, on the day TF's body was placed in the ground, TM called HgJN and KJN (and their wives) to her room and said, "do you know who I am? I am Hananim (God). I have absolute power!"

Later she said that she was born sinless while TF had original sin but was only forgiven of that sin when he accepted the mission from Jesus. And that she actually saved TF. And that she is the returning messiah that all of Christianity is waiting for. She, not we, or not my husband and I. Oh, and members must now liberate 420 levels of their ancestors at CP and that we must trust Hyo Nam Kim (oh wait, that was before Demon-Nim ran off with millions, betrayed TM (as HgJN and KJN told TM she would do) and set up her own sect and is now taking members away from TM. Hmmm.....

So each time we hear TM speak, we have to remember what she said before, and keep that perspective in mind. And we must also remember her actions such as giving the blessing by herself, changing the CSG to her version (as you say), creating a supreme council and the new CIG constitution that excludes the divine principle and is fraught with serious problems. We must remember that she stopped absolute sex education and freedom society and strong Korea efforts, and the current providence is only focused on growing the church over the next 4 years.

And she fired HgJN who TF placed in the international president position and said anyone who denied him that position would be a heretic and a destroyer. And she usurped the heir and successor chosen by TF who passed on his and True Parents full authority as the next representatives of True Parents on earth. And TM fired KJN whom TF had placed in a key position to oversee church business operations and was making significant strides with the Korean gov't, and was working on paying Japanese members back money they had borrowed to give to the church, and reducing the high debt of the Japanese Church (sadly Japanese members are once again being squeezed to death for money).

So, has TM betrayed TF?

That is a personal decision each member must make themselves. Each member must examine their heart, their beliefs, and their conscience and decide that point. And make absolute sure, they are properly aligned with heavens will.

Fundamental DP

Folks, basic DP teaches us about subject/object relationships. The subject initiates or gives, and the object receives or takes. Give and take action. Plus and minus. Order. When the S/O form a reciprocal relationship of harmonious action, they can revolve in perfect harmony.

However, either you have order, or you have disorder. There has to be a subject that is clearly the plus, and an object that is the minus. You cannot have plus/plus.

The same is for a king and queen relationship. It is not queen/king. It is king/queen. Husband and wife, not wife and husband.

So within the True Parents, TF was and is the subject, and TM is the object. They are not equal (in love yes) but not in authority.

If TF says do not change the CSG, TM must obey that directive, and should make sure no one else changes it either. If TF chooses a song for the CIG national anthem, TM should honor that and not change it. If TF selects an heir, and passes on his (and TP) full authority, TM should not change that.

We are eternal beings, therefore, the subject is always the subject for eternity. It doesn't change. So even if the subject ascends to SW, the object partner does not become the subject.

Within the four position foundation, there is God (a single being with dual characteristics), a husband/subject and a wife/object, and a child.
There are not two Gods.

Monotheism is one God. Ditheism is two gods that could be in conflict.

Fundamental DP.

Holy Shemitah!!! "Mother's version of the CSG"

Mother's version of the CSG?

I read a post by Libby Henkin (I looked for it but I can't find it) and she mentioned, "Mother's version of the CSG" and this really bothered me. Deeply bothered me. So many defenders of TM so easily justify TM changing the CSG. This is a tragedy! We are talking about a book that True Father labored over for a long time, reading through it more than 11 times, and said repeatedly, no one should change this book. He said, create another book, but don't touch this one! I won't provide the quotes here but there are many.

So the idea, that TM could make her own version, and get rid of the original, is mind blowing to say the least. And in "Mother's version", she adds some of her speeches. TF said he was leaving this book for humanity for eternity! OMG, how can anyone say that TM changing TF's masterpiece is OK?!?!?!

Can you imagine Leonardi deVinci's wife, after Leo's passing, change the Mona Lisa??? Maybe add eyebrows and eye liner? Holy Shemitah!!!